Issues related to Mr Steve Winter

Mr Steve Winter: concerning scandals and issues broadcast on internet

Failed lawsuit of April 2002

Origins and Background concerning Mr Winter from my perspective

Conflicts

History on usenet

Answering specific accusations

Criminal Activity
Heresy related to baptism doctrine
Confession of premeditation of murder
Marriage by fornication
Altering copywrited music

Why do you publish this page?

Why did you become involved with Mr Winter for so long?

Have you attempted to reconcile with Mr Winter?

LAWSUIT - United States District Court for the Middle District of North Carolina Case No. 1:02CV382 (Winter & PreRapture Solutions, Inc., vs. Bassett, et al.)
Click here to view original complaint

Mr Winter attacked numerous individuals, and corporations in retailiation against responses to his earlier personal attacks on numerous of the same, and other parties on the internet. This was not the first time that Mr Winter attempted to use the court system as an instrument to punish those who noticed and objected to defamator and harassing actions on his part.
For background, click here.
For information on Mr Winter's earlier legal endeavors, click here.
Case filed by Mr Winter in Superior Court of Durham, April 15th, 2002.
Defendants: MARK BASSETT, PETER WILLIAM SACHS, MICHAEL SCHIDELL, STEVE ADAMS, WILLIAM COUSERT, CAMILLE KLEIN, DAVE RATCLIFFE, DONNIE R. HAYES, WILLIAM ARTHUR MILLER, JR., JERRY MOON, CARL MCCASKEY, MARK GWYNN, BRIAN BOGGS, ANDY ENGLE, GOSPEL FILMS, INC., d/b/a gospelcom.net, VERIZON SOUTH, INC., TIME WARNER TELECOM HOLDINGS, INC., d/b/a rr.com,STEVE BUEHLER, AMERICAN TELEPHONE AND TELEGRAPH COMPANY (AT&T), PSI NET, INC., KC DATA CORPORATION, d/b/a slurp net, and YAHOO! INC.
Case removed to Federal Court by several corporate defendants without objection on my part, or by other individual defendants, May 16th, 2002
Rulings from Chief Justice N. Carlton Tilley, August 19-22, effectively close case, dismissing all who were served, or responded to the complaints as follows
- Mark Bassett - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Peter Sachs - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Michael Schidell - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Steve Adams - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction (revised opinion or notice to issue).
- William Cousert - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Camille Klein - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Dave Ratcliffe - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Donnie R. Hayes - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- William A. Miller, Jr. - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Jerry Moon - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Carl McCaskey - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Mark Gwynn - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Brian Boggs - Remanded. Remains a defendant.
- Andy Engle - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Steven Buehler - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Gospel Films, Inc. - DISMISSED for lack of personal jurisdiction.
- Verizon South, Inc., - DISMISSED under the Communications Decency Act (47 USC § 230).
- Time Warner Telecom Holdings, Inc. - DISMISSED voluntarily by Winter's attorney.
- AT&T - DISMISSED under the Communications Decency Act (47 USC § 230).
- PSINet, Inc. - DISMISSED under the Communications Decency Act (47 USC § 230).
- KC Data Corporation (slurp.net) - DISMISSED under the Communications Decency Act (47 USC § 230).
- Yahoo!, Inc. - DISMISSED under the Communications Decency Act (47 USC § 230).
Steve Buehler provides a good reference source for the documents and the facts of this case, from beginning to end, at http://winterfiles.sanctuaryweb.org/
My own comments upon conclusion of this ordeal
Mr. Winter's comments upon realizing his effort to plunder had failed

Origins

Note: These comments are being presented at this time, after the conclusion of Mr Winter's failed effort at legally harassing his critics, because enough time has been spent answering inquiries about him that come from Apostolic believers confused by his behavior and accusations.

Location: Mr. Winter is and has been a resident of Durham, N.C.

Church: Mr. Winter and his wife came into the United Pentecostal Church pastored by Rev. Johnny Godair, sometime in the 1980s. By the time I first became aware of Mr Winter, in 1990, he had already quit the church, some years earlier. He probably came in a few years earlier, since Mr Winter suppled the sound system, and recorded the events and music of the 1986 campmeeting of the NC District. Mr. Winter sent me a tape of this meeting, and told me stories concerning his discontent with supplying the sound equipment, but, as I inferred, receiving little respect or recognition.
Mr. Winter detailed in phone converstion how his wife had inherited monies that had been first used to build a recording studio, which was used to record a few artists in the UPCI, and then to record at least one tape of himself and family that was sold through the PPH outlet. The title of this recording was "Don't Be Deceived". Mr Winter, even today, feels that having recorded and sold this tape indicates approval by Apostolic people of the UPCI. In fact, PPH sells many items, and at least historically, a pastor's recommendation that he would want the recordings by those who attended the church he pastored sold by the PPH would go a long way. Today, the volume of material being presented for sale is greater and the criteria is a little tighter, to my observation. Later, perhaps after becoming disillusioned with the church and departing, Mr Winter invested in computing equipment, particilarly high speed modems, to become involved with online activity. This happened sometime befiore 1990. (See "History" below.)
I have never met Mr Winter in person, but in phone conversations before a lasting conflict arose with him, I learned these things about his experience:
- He was allowed to play his guitar on the platform. Later, we see from his describes himself to have been in a "leadership" position in the church.
  He was upset about the direction of the music by a woman, presumably not only because of her gender but because of issues relating to disagreements.
- At some point he began to take issue with the ministry, and the church over the following ideas: Men wearing neckties or watches are actually wearing jewlery. He referred to the necktie as a "cloth necklace", and the watch as a "bracelet with a clock". (Later, in usenet we see him condemn the UPCI and other Apostolics who allow women to speak and sound in the church service, and also concerning the holding of services or special events on Christmas and Easter). Combined with disagreement with the music issues, Mr Winter became engaged in complaints against the ministry and church.
  When contacted the ministry of the church confirmed that Mr Winter had been given a brief public forum for explaining his dissatisfaction, which evidently exposed him and his attitudes, and probably served as the launching pad for Mr Winter leaving the church. This is a strong factor in the emergence of this individual as he today appears. It seems that he desires to build a reputation on existing sentiment against the UPC from fringe area concerning a few peripheral issues. Notice that Mr Winter is on record as condemning the UPCI on the basis of the clause of Fundamental Doctrine, as follows
  "We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we are all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body."
  He seems to imply that this clause is an agreement not to pursue truth. Unfortunately, the only identification of truth that Mr Winter appears to acknowledge, is that it is an idea that he has personally voiced.
- Mr. Winter complains that money that he gave to the cause of Foreign Missions and other targets was received in spite of his disagreement, which he implies he was vocal about.
- After his separation from the church, Mr. Winter eventually began to refer to himself as "reverend", and then, more recently "pastor". Even so, at the time of his involvement in the church, he was not a candidate for ministry and received no "local" license. It should be noted that the church where he came from has produced many ministers, in fact, and is certainly a good place for a person who is genuinely called of God toreceive training. All we can conclude is the opinion that Mr. Winter objected to submission to authority, and became not only unteachable, but rebellious.
Later Organization: Sometime during or after 1995, Mr. Winter still maintained the confidence of several individuals who he had enlisted for help with the putting together of bulletin board systems, in spite of his ongoing manifestation of a godless attitude and behavior. Mr Winter had also had some contact with Rev. Marvin Arnold, author of several books on history of the Apostolic movement, and used his literature, claiming confederacy with this older man.
Rev. Arnold was head of a relatively small Apostolic organization (B.A.O.) at the time, and was evidently persuaded to supply Mr Winter with credentials. If we are to believe him, Mr Winter obtained an "ordination" from Arnold, without any signficant evaluation of his life, or ministry, and with no effort to train this man. Even though the Bible warns leadership "Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure." - 1 Timothy 5:22, Mr Winter, from this time after, regarded himself as licensed minister. The romance was shortlived, and upon attending what I understand was the very first conference after his entry into the B.A.O., Mr Winter became upset that the brethren would not hear his demands that women should not speak. We hear from firsthand sources that, thereafter, they would not fellowship with the people at the conference. Shortly afterwards, a conflict arose between Winter and one of the aforementioned individuals, who had also joined the B.A.O. Mr. Winter demanded that Rev. Arnold discipline (and probably cut-off) that other individual. When Mr. Winter's demands were not satisfied, he bombarded Arnold's office with Faxes, and quit.
Of course, shortly afterwards, at least some of these other individuals began to recoignize what kind of individual they were dealing with, and separated themselves also. (I pause to notice that the B.A.O. and its very poor licensing standards at the time contributed greatly to some of the problems that the church has had on account of this individual in the past years)
JNAHC, INC. At some point, shortly prior or upon this basis, Mr Winter appears to have registered a North Carolina Corpration by the name of Jesus Name Apostolic Holiness Church, Inc. None of the resources available will confirm this corporation as in existance today, but Mr Winter used the powers vested in an organized and incorporated church church to vest himself with credentials. We do not know of any extant members of JNAHC, INC apart from himself and perhaps, his family.

History on Usenet, etc.

When we first encountered Mr Winter, it was in 1990 prior to the common public use of internet while searching through a Boston Based bulletin board, Channel One. Having seen a telephone number for Channel One in Microsoft Systems Journal I called my first "BBS", in search of some downloadable source code, to save some time. There I discovered that there were actually religious-oriented conversations, and there amidst the flames and arguments was a Oneness Pentecostal message, relating Holy Ghost baptism and Jesus name baptism, and the oneness of God. I tracked the author as Steve Winter, saw that he also had a bulletin board, and without much further thought, applied for membership, as I felt that it was a good thing to spread the gospel in this way that I had never imagined before. Mr. Winter was, in those days, quite excited to see a Apostolic seek to confedarate with him. I later learned what other motives were involved beyond the purpose of the gospel, and friendship, but at that time of course, this was all new for me.
Within a short time, I had also set up a BBS package, and was introduced to some "mail relay" software that automated the transmission of messages to BBS's in a list by modem. Mr Winter's objective was to enlist other bulletin board systems, and expand this confederation of BBSs which he would call the "Prime Network". As I recall, the BBS's were also listed in the 'RIME' network which was operated by a Ms Bonny Anthony. I recall that, even at that early time, within a few weeks or a month, I became aware of some conflict between Winter and Anthony. This subnet called "PRIME" included a few overseas bulletin boards, and was limited to perhaps 20 in all. At some point, Raymond Knapp (whose name will be seen thrown around by Winter on usenet) was involved with a BBS in Hong Kong. I cannot recall whether Jerry Moon, and a number of other Oneness believers who have dropped out of view were involved in the RIME stage.

Fidonet
Shortly, we became aware of and switched to the FIDONET technology, where most who have a long standing awareness of Mr Winter, encountered him. While FIDONET provided a nodelist of its own, a special nodelist could be issued to transmit "echos" (fidonet equivalent of usenet newsgroups) to a special set of BBS's. Also, Mr Winter immediately could establish an "echo" and get it to be carried by the FIDONET backbone. This forum was called "HOLY_BIBLE".
Winter's conflicts with administrators and others on usenet became legendary, and eventually resulted in a threat to sue Don Dawson, then regional coordinator of Fidonet, to reinstate the node number that was yanked. Winter's chamelion region number (at one point, he had an offshore region number) gave everyone a heads up as to his tenacity in defying disciplinary actions of Net Coordinators. The North Carolina NC who was involved in removing Winter from the nodelist basically resigned, and I think Dawson caved-in. It is memorable, and I am not the only one to recall that the papers which Winter dispatched to intimidate Dawson and others bore the name of the same lawyer Mr Jerry Moon recalls that, during their time of harmony (as Mr Moon was one of triad of individuals, who served as Winter's operatives for a long time in administrating his so-called "Prime" network - i.e. group of BBS's willing to subscribe to Winter's ranting) Mr. Winter and his wife who had worked in a law office (supposedly her father's) discussed how to type up legal-looking papers. Though courts have now crused several of Winter's frivilous lawsuits, the whole story is not in on this side of Winter's activities. We expect to see details forthcoming at some point.

Usenet and IRC

ISPs
Mr Winter eventually showed up on the internet in mid 1993, with commercially oriented posts selling STB serioual i/o cards and USR modems starting in July, followed by advertisments for "PRIME" in December (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=756259308.AA05078%40psybbs.durham.nc.us), then ironically with complaints about some sysop involved in Fidonet (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a3c_9407191601%40psybbs.durham.nc.us) in July '94, and an attempt to by Winter to defend against a fraud that appears to have been perpetrated against him with a counterfeit post asserting his request to attack "pagan" BBS's (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9c1_9408091030%40psybbs.durham.nc.us). Evidently this was the unhappy motivation that introduced Winter to the use of usenet. Finally he shows up, apparently angered by the "bad press" that he had been receiving (not that he had not done a lot to inspire outrage against himself, well beyond the simple idea of publishing doctrine that some disagreed with), he starts to publish "tracts" on usenet in Aug, '94 (http://www.google.com/groups?selm=b1d_9408161412%40psybbs.durham.nc.us). From here it is all downhill, and we have rapidly escalating negative interaction involving Winter and abuse@whateverisp.com from 10/94 until today. A google search shows about 15,800 posts authored by Mr Winter during that time period. Most are basically derived from about 20 original patterns, and involve very little new material or original thought. Searching from this set, which include the words "scum", "filth", or "dirt", returns 8,750 posts.
Interestingly, Mr Steve Adams, and Mr Steve Buehler became targets of Mr Winter's abusive actions immediately, in 1996, See http://www.google.com/groups?selm=30f07382.26653125%40nntp.ix.netcom.com

Mr Winter eventually purchased internet services from a supplier who, when approaced concerning his defamatory activities stated that he had no intention of honoring his upstream supplier's terms of service, (GTE and BNN), and thus pressing his own customer, Winter, to observe those terms. Later, Winter and others made accusations that, by approaching his ISP and ask for Winter to be held to the published Acceptable Use Policy of the upstream provider, I was attempting to restrict Mr Winter's "right" to access the internet.

For a listing of Mr Winter's internet posts, click here

At some point in 1997, Mr Winter attacked me by asserting that harassing email were being sent from my account, contacting my ISP and demanding that they shut down my account. My ISP, at that time, was ICONN, owned and operated at that time by Peter Sachs. Mr Winter made the serious mistake of a beligerant approach in dealing with Sachs, who already had a good understanding of Winter's activity, since by this time, Winter had become a legendary usenet kook, even receiving mention amongst some of the real crackpots of history, and even his own fan club echo. Furthermore, Peter Sachs, Esq., had done considerable work defending freedom of speech on the internet,and has in fact, appeared as an expert before the US Congress. Mr Winter made a serious mistake by attempting to intimidate Mr Sachs. It is a remarkable coincidence that, several days before, frustrated and concerned by Mr Winter's attempt to have me arrested for a few simple exchances on IRC, I had called some elders and asked for prayer, to prevent Mr Winter from asserting himself further. Witout consultation with me, Peter Sachs dealt with Mr Winter by posting "stevewinter.com", and providing some assistance and information to those who found themselves and their ISPs being intimidated by Mr Winter.

IRC
Mr Winter became involved with IRC around late 1997, as I recall. IRC is an interactive medium, usually used for recreation. At that time, the IRC clients were not sophisticated, but were developing because of rapidly increasing popularity, and because IRC was a vastly superior alternative to AOL type "chat rooms". A number of Apostolic people had the idea of using IRC to develop "rooms" where the Apostolic doctrine, and testimonies and pray requests could be shared. On IRC the administrator of a chat room has the capability of restricting access to the room, but the identities of the users are never clearly established. Also, at that time, it was very, very common for IRC users to play "war" with one another, actually using "bots" and other methods of restricting IRC clients from operating. One of the things that happened to me very commonly was a "ping flood". The use of ping flood on IRC at that time was very common, and while it is related to a full blown denial of service attack, the consequences were so insignificant between these recreational users, that it never occured to me or anyone I knew that there were legal ramifications. Nevertheless, because of one event where I used a brief ping flood directed towards Mr Winter, he has, since that time, published widely that I am an admitted criminal. This is something on the scale of putting poster's up in every major city, with the name and picture of your neighbor, and labeling them a criminal, because they stepped uninvited onto your lawn, when you had a 3 inch "no trespassing sign" erected. Again, it is preopsterous, but alas, that is classic Winter.
Mr Winter and I had several encounters on USENET, largely because it came to my attention that Mr Winter was defaming me in the ears of individuals who were involved in the "room" that I occasionally hosted and administrated. He also asserts that I "stalked" his teenage daughter, by that means. This is a lie, and will be dealt with below.

Conflict

Abusive Interactions: On usenet, Mr Winter's abusive treatment of those who he addressed emerged as a pattern rather than an occasional technique of communication, as it had earlier seemed to me to be. At that time, growing ever more aware of certain personality issues with Mr Winter, I realized that criticizing him, or objecting to this pattern of abusive, and fruitless communication would lead to a severe reaction, so I remained quiet about it. The "last straw" came when Mr Winter's dealing with a emotionally weakened 16-year-old young man in Pennsylvania went overboard. Both Winter and I were communicating with "Justin" regarding the gospel. Justin was the child of Baptists who had gone to minister to the Mennonites, but, as he saw it, had been absorbed by the Mennonite customs, etc., and had lost their focus. Justin was very interested in the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but Mr Winter's well known pattern of name calling, cursing, and defamation took hold of the young man to the extent that he became seriously troubled. The problem was that he perceived truth in the gospel messages, but could not reconcile that anyone who offered truth in the name of Jesus would treat an individual so badly!
I recommended that he cease reading and responding to Winter, and took four weeks aside to do little else besides respond to each and every of Justin's concerns, taking care to ensure him that he was indeed important and deserved to be treated with respect, regardless of what former beliefs he was coming from. I also did not chasten him for arguments, but ensured him that Winter's assertions that a 16 year old young man speaking in favor of the baptist background that his parents had given him was a false prophet, were totally kooky.
Within two months, I received a call one Sunday morning from Bro Don Zeek, who happened to pastor in the area, and was also related to our District Superintendant, that Justin had come to church and been baptized in Jesus' name. We praised God for Justin, but at that time, it suddenly struck me exactly how much time I had spent having to repair damage that Winter had done in just one seeker. How many more that he routinely cursed, railed at and defamed were seekers of God, who were being turned away from Truth forever by his actions? I adapted a different attitude towards this individual, after Justin. Even so, Justin was one of many. many people who I watched Mr Winter abuse, without doing enough to compensate.
Ministry Qualifications: A very brief time after this experience with Justin, in the summer of 1991, a telephone conversation occured with Mr Winter and the subject of ministry arose. I cannot recall whether I mentioned to him that I felt called of God to the ministry, but somehow the subject of qualifications for ministry occured. He objected to this, stating his belief that the phrase "husband of one wife" (1Tim 3:2, Titus 1:6) qas used to disqualify all who had ever been married before. Mr Winter knew that my first wife had divorced me prior to my hearing the gospel, some ten years before, and that I came into the church as a man without a wife. Nevertheless his understanding of these verses was characterized by the explaination, "It doesnt mean just one wife at a time", which evidently he had heard, used in condemning Baptists (as he said), in his area who accepted and practiced divorce and remarriage within the ministry. In other words, he asserted that these passages would define a person who had been divorced for any reason at any time in history as having more than one wife, and therefore disqualified for ministry. (Of course, if that wife of the earlier life died at some moment, his argument and the disqualification would vanish)
I became engaged in a brief argument - one of the first that I had allowed myself with Winter, as I basically understood the expected outcome of any conflict with this man, having seen it happen over and over again during these last six months. At some point in the argument, I stopped him and said, "Listen, if your idea is sound then it would be better to murder the woman, a sin of which I could be forgiven, and then go ahead and do the will of God, because the call of God simply doesn't go away, and I feel it, not you!" Mr Winter siezed this phrase, whether in or out of context, and uses it libelously to this date, frequently republishing the assertion that I confided in him that I premedited murder(See below, Answering Specific Accusations brought by Mr Winter, Confession of premeditation of murder)
After a few more exchangees, at this time, I "let it fly", and let Mr Winter know how far out I actually thought he was, and how ungodly his program was. The conversation degenerated in seconds. Mr Winter's response was to begin some damage control and retalliation, broadcasting messages around the network that I was a "snake", "Judas", etc. etc., and cutting off my access. Of course, he could not cut off my access to Fidonet as a whole, so therefore we watched for a while as Mr Winter campaigned with a mass of defamations. No doubt I responded in kind to some extend, having built up a lot of resentment for his penchant for domineering and one-way conversations, never hearing, always lecturing, and being utterly careless about souls. I have to admit, I was emotional at this point.
In attempting to spin the libeous assertion that I premeditated murder, Mr Winter has asserted that I sought his counsel on this matter. This is preposterous. Contrary to Mr Winter's amazing assertions, I never looked to Mr Winter for counsel, or advice, and never regarded him as a minister of the gospel, or as having an authority in matters concerning faith. Futhermore, I never knew a single person who did.
Harassing Telephone Calls After Mr Winter began his massive retaliatory program triggered by my willingness to argue with him (no doubt this cause him to be quite angry), I returned home one afternoon in mid-1991 to find my wife shaken and upset. She had received a telephone call from Mr Winter, cursing, railing and speaking directly to her. As an enraged husband, and a person whose patience for this ugly person had reached a limit, I reacted by returning a beligerant and probably only half-rational phone call to him. We understand that he kept the answering machine message recorded at this time, and today sports an edited rendition of this on his website, seeking to suppert his assertions against me. How dare he call and curse my wife!
This resulted in several very uneasy weeks, for both she and I were not convinced that this individual was not sufficently mentally unstable to actually reach out and do physical harm to us. This activity "crossed the line",and revealed exactly how far into trouble I had gotten through association with him, and foretold of the problems that the coming years would bring, though I determined not to be driven from the purpose of communicating the gospel by network communications, and began to work to encourage others to do so.
Over the coming years, we would see Mr Winter repeat this pattern of telephone harassment against those who argued with him again, and again.
I admit that my response was not good Christian behavior, and was improperly motivated, and ill-concieved. This was in 1991, four years before I applied for and received ministerial credentials, and so I would remind those who fall for Mr Winter's efforts to embarass the ministry on that basis.

Why did I become involved with Mr Winter for so long?

I was vulnerable because I was discontent and willing to entertain condemnations, as a result of personal spiritual immaturity and a lack of food relationship to a church in my own life. (The church where I received the gospel was baptized, some 6 years earlier, had left the faith within a year and half, and I moved around several times before coming to this location. I had not learned respect for the work or good understanding of the work of God, and was willing to suppose that a person like Winter might have some insight, because I would have liked to suppose that I had insight - though it was wrongly motivated.
Paradoxically, I also felt that cutting off a person who had fallen was wrong, and that even though I knew that Mr Winter had quit the church, the thought occured "What if it had been me? Would not God send someone to befriend and perhaps recover me?"

Have you attempted to reconcile with Mr Winter, and have you forgiven him?
Christians will ask this question of me, because they know from the doctrines of scripture that this is the correct way to deal with a person who intends and does evil towards you. Let me answer this without any chance for doubt: YES, I have sought on several occasions to deal with this matter so as to relieve Mr Winter of the burden.
One will then ask, Why then, even if you have not been successful at getting a response from Mr Winter,
Why do you publish this?" My answer to this is:

I have avoided publishing anything on a permanent internet site, from the first encounter with Winter in 1990, until now. The reason that I now publish this is that, even after his humiliating defeat in this lawsuit, it appears that Mr Winter is beyond learning, and is literally living for the cause of defamation. For over ten years, I felt it was necessary to give allowances for a person simply mislead. Now, I feel it is necessary to answer the charges formally, and regularly, so as to eliminate the time wasted to respond privately to interested parties, and to provide an example to others who would likewise be amazed at the level of attack that can come from such an individual. I truly believe that, as the church begins to use communication tools effectively, the adversary will put more and more people with the same kind of character in the way. We must know how to deal with this type of attack openly and without apology.

Answering Specific Accusations brought by Mr Winter

Criminal Activity
Mr. Winter accuses me of criminal activity, and notes that I admit it. The latter comment is true. The "criminal activity" to which he refers, is:

Denial Of Service attack: As explained above, with respect to IRC activity, it is true that I sent a very brief ping flood (aboiut 20 seconds) to Mr Winter's recreational IRC client, causing a delay in his ability to transmit messages on IRC. As stated, I did not know at the time that this was illegal, because of the frequency and commonality of the same attacks being made against me, on IRC, and because it was discussed as though it was a game. Mr Winter actually threatened to approach the FBI with this, and it amazed me to the extent that I started to research computer crime, and realized that Mr Winter was attempting to elevate this trivial issue as though it were a full blown crime. As a result, I never did this again.
Harassing email messages:. Mr Winter claims that I and many others are guilty of harassing him by email. He bases this upon the notion that, once a person requests that a sender desist from sending email, messages thereafter are illegal. Surely there is a basis in law for this, while there was not at the time that Mr Winter started to claim it. I personally have not sent Mr Winter messages since the time he objected to receiving messages, except for several instances. These instances are explained as follows: A number of times (very few in comparison to the times that Mr Winter has publically libeled and defamed me), I attempted to respond to a public usenet post, and clicked "reply", instead of "reply group", or else allowed my usenet mail reader to transmit a CC to the original author, inadvertantly.
Racketeering: Yes, it gets this silly. Even after his humiliation of August 2003, Mr Winter's nasty defamation page listed scores of criminal complaints that he had filed with his local police department from 4/98 to 9/01 against various internet contacts. We understand that, of these hundred or more complaints, the local police department investigated adequately, and followed through by tabling these matters without advancing to create a warrent. His assertion of criminal activity is, itself, amazing when the extent of the imaginations and exaggeration are considered. In this case, Winter alleges RICO violations against those who even mentioned the fact that business contacts of his small business, also operating on the internet, might become negative about doing business with him, if they noticed his anti-social and beligerant, defamatory behavior. this assertion ultimately escalated in his mind, and served as a basis for some of the complaints of his failed lawsuit of April 2002. In fact, neither I, nor anyone I know every sought to damage Mr Winter's business, as he alleges, or to deprive him of internet access (as though anyone could, in a free market society). He alleges that people contacted his interests interests, presumably demanding that they stop doing business with Winter, however, to my knowledge, no letters were ever written, no phone calls placed even to bring existing information to anyone's attention, much less to make demands.
Harassment and Stalking. This assertion arises from IRC activity in 1998, where I sent a message to Mr Winter, who was evidently unaware of how to effectively block senders. I had long souught a chance to talk to Mr Winter "face to face". His response? "Dont contact me, dirt". Had Mr Winter not claimed to be a minister, and not been defaming me every day of his life, as a profession, perhaps I would not have sought to talk with him, but I did take the opportunity, since he was not blocking my communication.
At that time, Mr Winter was attempting to develop a chat room himself. According to the practice of undernet administration, any prospective channel that desired permanent status would have a probationary period. During that time "spot checks" would be made for usage, requiring a minimum population in the rooms. According to those who visitied his room, Mr Winter quickly became engaged in argument with most who arrived, and quickly "bounced" them. As a result, his room's population was never large. Being knowlegeable concerning these things myself, I believe therefore that he created "clones", or addtional IRC users from his own home computers by activating additional instances of the IRC client program, and naming them. This, one could always see "PREACHER", "WIFE", "SON", "DAUGHTER", etc. Since few ever reported any contact with anyone but Winter, most regarded these additional clients as just replicas of Winter's client, established to meet the pop. requirements, and not a specific person.
One day, I read a particularly nasty allegation concerning sexual perversion directed at Winter from an anonymous source. I wanted to commnicate with him that, even though he had been a terrible enemy, I was opposed to this kind of thing being done to anyone. I did so by sending messages to all the clients that I knew were in his house, which he did not block. My words were not vulgar, nor were they accusatory. Mr Winter claims that my words were sent to his daughter, and he says, constitute sexual harassment. This was not my intend, and indeed, Winter has documented the messages He sought to have me arrested as a result.
Other issues: If you really seek answers on these things, email me.
Heresy related to baptism doctrine
Mr Winter declares I am a heretic with respect to the doctrine of baptism for remission of sins. This attack is raised with two claims:
1. "Baptism is not magic" - I made this statement, and it seemds to have bothered Mr Winter. I do not believe that, in judgement being baptized in Jesus name will have remitted the past sins of those who either did not repent, or thereafter lived a life of unrepented sin. The instant of baptism in the life of a backslider, or mere professer, does not present a complexity in judgment and condemnation of those who did not walk in the Spirit and wear the yoke of Jesus Christ, in salvation.
2. "Baptism is not a commandment" - I made this statement, as such without elaboration, and was cited with heresy. I elaborated upon the statement many times, but my explanation was ignored, as is trypical with this man, as he continues to made the defamatory charge. What do I mean by this? The instruction to "be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" takes several forms. In Acts 10, it is structured as a commandment, and not the response to an inquiry. In Acts 2:38, however, while it is an passive aorist verb in the imperative voice, no different from the command "repent", it is also notably a response to the REQUEST for instruction (i.e. "Men and brethren, What shall we do?"). The distinction is that those who heard at Cornelius house had received the Holy Ghost, while the Jews in Jerusalem were being offered a means of escaping the judgment of sin (though remission of sins)
3. My doctrine concerning water baptism? - In brief: It is required and necessary for remission of sins. It must be done calling on, and in the authority of Jesus' name. It is the birth of water, that is necessary to rebirth into the Kingdom of God. It is where the name of the Heavenly father is provided to the newborn, and adaption takes place. It is where the "old man" is put away in the likeness of Jesus' death. No, it is not magic. It will not save the sinner who continues without a spiritual life, and the holiness of life that the indwelling Spirit provides.
Confession of premeditation of murder
Mr Winter libelously publishes that I declared to him that I had planned or considered the murder of my wife. The story of the words from which Mr Winter creatively extracted this libel is found above in the Ministry Requirements of "Conflicts". PLease read that for explanation. After this accusation was first made, Mr Winter was questioned, asking "If you heard that Bassett was going to commit murder, then why did you not act to bring this to the attention of the police?". At this time, Winter's story expanded adaptively. Suddenly he declared that I had mentioned this, but that I had mentioned that I had earlier considered this, and was simply telling him of thoughts that had crossed my mind in the past. Here a liar "tipped his hand". Mr Winter sought to avoid blame, and being seen as a conspirator, so he altered his story. When he did, the question is now asked "Why would Bassett have considered this before talking to you? You were the only one in his immediate experience who was representing the denial of his qualifications for ministry. Indeed, Bassett obtained credentials from the officials in his area several years later." Mr Winter walked into his own weapon.
Marriage by fornication
Mr Winter claims that I teach that fornication is sufficient to engnder marriage. I do not. This originates from the responses that I provided to his allegations, and my irritation with his failure to notice his own weak position in making such allegations. Mr Winter admits to having a son born out of wedlock, to a woman who he lived with before entering the church. He did not marry the woman, even though his child would have supposed that he he had legitimate parents, and so might the world in spite of the fact that Winter did not legitimize the union with the child's mother. I sought to press the inapprropriateness of his assertion concerning the disqualification of a man from ministry who had been divorced prior to salvation, by comparison. What separated me from his situation? I had married the mother of my child in a public ceremony. He had not. Was I, because of superior morals before being saved, now disqualified from ministry, whereas this railing accuser was not? I pointed out that the scripture alone provides little definition for public ceremony, and that the scripture describes a unification of flesh occuring even when a relationship is undertaken with a harloy (Rom 6:16). I then mocked his the vague phrase which he used to identify my disqualification ("double marrried") asserting that he is as "double married" as I am. My intent was that neither of us is a bigamist, but Mr Winter took the opportunity thereafter to assert that I equated fornication and marriage, and actually taught that fornicators were already married. Again, no amount of publication of my beliefs has been sufficient to get him to withdraw.
What is my doctrine on marriage? - Briefly, Marriage is between one man and one woman. Marriage is to be entered into solemnly, and abided in without divorce. In the event of divorce for Christians, remarriage is possible for the guiltless party, or for an repentant individual long after restoration is deemed impossible, but the formal, licensed or ordainted ministry ought not remarry with a living spouse. Marriage requires a) lifelong comittment made prior to marriage, b) public declaration made through a representative of civil government, so that ALL are given knowledge of this sacred union.
Altering copywrited music
Hey! I admit it... I made a parody of one of Winter's more whacky tunes, where there is a lot of screaming, and psychadelic sounding silliness.I even made it available for download for a little while, before good taste got the best of me. But hey, making a parody and using it to ridicule a public figure is legal. I never took income fom resale of copywrited material, or distributed such material in a way that could be shown to have deprived the "artist" of income.

Mr Winter's comments on closing this frivilous and vexatious lawsuit

Did the failure of justice in the OJ case make OJ less of a murderer?
Is Mark Bassett less of a liar, less of an heretic, less of a reprobate than a few hours ago?
Is the case really closed?

Pastor Winter

posted 8/25/2003 9:03OM on alt.religion.christian.pentecostal

My comments on closing this frivilous and vexatious lawsuit

On 4/18/2002, "Pastor" Steve Winter used a spam (excessive crosspost) to announce:

While I will not discuss any details I want to give God the glory and praise for providing me with one of the best if not the best lawyer in this area. I also request the prayers of all real Christians that the Lord Jesus would guide us and continue to mightily bless our efforts for truth and a legal endeavor we are involved in.
Regards, Pastor Winter

(From: Pastor Steve Winter (steveNOSPAM@prime.org) Subject: Prayer and thanksgiving to the Lord Jesus Christ Newsgroups: alt.christnet.public, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.presbyterian, misc.education.home-school.christian, alt.religion.christian.calvary-chapel, alt.christnet, alt.religion.christian.pentecostal Date: 2002-04-18 17:01:23 PST)

Steve Winter was, of course referring to his attempt to grab money from over 20 different defendants (documented at http://winterfiles.sanctuaryweb.org/) claiming that others caused him emotional harm, and even asserting that criminal conspiracies were involved in responding to his defamatory and viscious interpersonal attacks on persons through the internet. 20-plus defendants in this suit were thereby molested and aggravated by this phoney for over a year.

Last Friday, August 22, 2003, the Federal Court of the Middle District of North Carolina, published the conclusion of the case, dismissing ALL the defendants who were ever legitmately served in this silly abuse of the legal system by Mr Winter.

Lets look at some interesting and notable excerpts from the closing memorandums:

Winter's attorney claimed that he constantly failed to meet deadlines because of "excusable neglect", therefore violating rules of the court. The court did not have to deal with this matter, because of the clear grounds for dismissals, but did take the time to notice: "The reason for the delay in this case, although the Plaintiffs' attorney refers to the actions of a staff member, was the result of the attorney's inattentiveness to deadlines in this action. The management of deadlines is an attorney's responsibility and within his control. " Winter attempted to answer all motions to dismiss, for over 12 defendants, with a single response. Because the extention of time that he desired in order to do this was denied, based on lack of excuse for his attorney's neglect, the ridiculous demand for a consolodated, single response to the many motions, was considered moot.

Winter made numerous scandalous and defamatory statements in his motion for extention of time. I filed a motion to strike these statements from the record. The court DENIED the motion for extention of time, and therefore, the scandalous statements are in the garbage can, where they belong, thus making my motion for striking these MOOT. No need to strike what authorities have deemed garbage.

Winter and his attorney asserted many things. The five causes of action were woven with numerous strange allegations. Several defendants asked for dismissal under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12{b}{6}. Notably, the court took the time, though it did not need to, to point out that, while 12{b}{6} requires that allegations in complaints must be well pleaded and apparently true, ... "It appears certain that Winter cannot prove any set of facts in support of his/their claims". In short, the court states that Mr Winter's basis for these complaints are bogus, and have not been supported. As a note, we have seen from Mr Winter's behavioral pattern, that he filed this in District Court because he wanted to get this into trial, and have a hayday there, swinging his arms shouting and saying big words, where he felt that he would finally receive the attention he though that he deserved in his constant battle against mental windmills. In the local court, it would be seen that need of trial followed the absence of detail. Federal Court recognized this, and mercifully saved us the trouble of having to actually ANSWER this Bearded Banana's crazy assertions. So much for the "best lawyer"... In fact, Winter's two recourses now are to request clarification, and to plead attorney incompetance. I would advice for the former and against the latter because 1) Winter does need any light he can get on ANY subject, and 2) he had a good attorney, as far as his own welfare was concerned. Personally, I have other suppositions about how and why Mr Winter's lawyer, helped him to avoid the consequences of his craziness, once again. Ask yourself, what explanations exist for the fact that this loco weed Winter has been tossing around papers with this the name of this reputable man for over 10 years? Winter has NEVER threatened with another atty, and has NEVER won anything in his long years of playing the looney bird in the courts. Does anyone else see a merciful individual on the other side of the attorney's I doubt very much that a good lawyer, and I have no doubt that this man is a compentant and reputable individual, would have mixed federal law and local statutes in such a way as to guarentee that the higher court would have power to finally crush this vindictive program, and close doors to further actions, unless it was to do Mr Winter a favor that he did not solicit.

Winter's leaning on USC 230 (though misidentified occasionally in his claims) was provided so as to put a weight on the ISP's, asserting a duty on the part of ISP's to shut off those who disagreed with him, and responded to his foolishness over the years, while instead some actually TOS'ed Mr Winter, correctly to his chagrin. This is ironic to the max. It was, in fact, USC 230 which held the ISP not liable for the content of the downstream publishers. (In this memorandum opinion, the court stated "The Fourth Court has clearly held that USC 230 creates a federal immunityto any cause of action that would make ISPs liable for information originating with a third party user of the service. - Zeran 129 F.3d at 329") In effect, Mr Winter's assertion was that an ISP is responsible to shut off users, whenever Mr Winter stated to them that he was displeased with their activity, accompanied by Mr Winter's allegation that the person was doing wrongful or illegal activity. How strange and ironic when we compared the reality: It was Mr Winter who was responsible for obeying the rules and terms of his contract with HIS ISP, and for much of the last ten years, he enjoyed the favor of ISPs who DID NOT deal with HIM as a violator of his own terms of service. The use of USC 230 was the over-reach which allowed the corporate defendants (Time Warner, AT&T, GospelCom, etc) to remove the case to federal court, and then judge that, according to Mr Winter's own complaint, they should interpret USC 230, and therein the entire interwoven fabric of these complaints. Without this, Mr Winter would not have a complaint that distinguished him from any crybaby who has tasted his own medicine. With it, he had a charge that demanded that US code be stretched to accomodate his fantastic imaginations.

The Court took time to remind us that "technology cannot 'eviscerate the constitutional limits on a State's power to exercise jurisdiction over a defendant' ... In ZIPPO, 952 F.Supp 1119 (W.D. PA 1997), 'the liklihood of personal jurisdiction can be constitututionally exercized is directly proportionate to the nature and quality of the commercial activity that an entity conducts over the internet". Mr Winter filed this frivilous suit, interestingly, as two platiffs. He filed as HIMSELF, the whack-a-do who tosses flames around the internet, then complaining that he was emotionally upset when people answered him, trying to disguise his defamations as justified and even protected because of religious content, and he ALSO filed as a business entity. However, from the beginning, a question arose concerning the reason of combining these two plaintiffs in a single case. As I wrote in http://winterfiles.sanctuaryweb.org/documents/bassett001.pdf moving the court to dismiss...

The undersigned is blamed in Fourth Cause of Action (ISPs - Knowingly Allow Abuse of Service), and Fifth Cause of Action (Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices). However, the Plaintiff's claim fails to distinguish between responses to his own religious speech, to which it is conceivable that negative reactions may occur by nature of religious speech, and alleged trade-related actions. Plaintiff Winter engages in inflammatory conduct as an individual in the internet, but claims that alleged reactions to his personal communication, which he conducted as an individual and not as a representative of Plaintiff Sellcom, harmed his business interests. No defendant interacting with Plaintiff Winter relating to the inflammatory religious issues on the internet could have known that he was at risk of being accused of Unfair Trade Practices, and most of the defendants named in the Fourth Cause of Action could not have "allowed abuse of service" as averred in paragraph 45. IN other words, Defendants are alleged to have harmed Plaintiff Sellcom, when to the best of the undersigned's knowledge, the defendants had no contact with, nor significant knowledge of Plaintiff Sellcom, when interacting with Plaintiff Winter.

It is notable that Sellcom may be thought to have suffered damage as a result of Winter's interactions, but, as Sellcom's proprietor, Winter is responsible for negative attitudes developed towards him, and also to his business activity, unless he kept his business activity a secret from any persons who might have witnessed his controversial activity, and developed attitudes independently. Moreover, Plaintiff Winter was never deprived of the choice of how to best protect the interests of Sellcom. The Plaintiff and Plaintiff's attorney must have known, when preparing the complaint for presentation to the court, that accusing defendants of violations of trade-related statues harming a business entity after "baiting" adversaries with religious arguments on the non-commercial Usenet as an individual would result in an improperly motivated presentation to the Court.

In the Second Cause of Action (Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress) and the Third Cause of Action (Defamation) the Plaintiffs allege defamatory, hurtful communications on the part of the defendants Bassett, Sachs, Schidell, Adams, Buehler, Cousert, Klein, Ratcliffe, Hayes, Miller, Moon, Mccaskey, Gwynn, Boggs, Engle, gospelcom.net, and Yahoo. However, examination of the archived content of Usenet interactions, where the Plaintiff's religious speech takes place, and where the alleged offences are supposed to have arisen, and examination of website published and maintained by Plaintiff Winter reveals that Plaintiff Winter's own communication contains very large amounts of communication of the very same nature, as he alleges has hurt him[1]. For the Plaintiff to bring claims before the Court, while fully knowing that a discovery process will immediately reveal his own frequent and regular defamatory actions against numerous of the Defendants, from which he seeks relief in his complaints, and many others, cannot be considered without inferring an effort on the part of the Plaintiffs' and Plaintiffs' attorney to increase the cost of litigation without ultimately demonstrating activity on the part of defendants, that he has not more frequently, and more harmfully engaged in himself.

Footnotes from quotes that appeared above:
[1] For example, the following very brief excerpts are reproduced from http://groups.google.com where Usenet posts are archived. This archive contains 9, 750 publications by Plaintiff Winter between June 1997 and the present date. Though the quality does not differ from earlier contributions, all of the following examples were published by Mr. Winter since the filing of this complaint on April 15, 2002: "Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself over as 'Oneness missionary' in Hong Kong" - 5/27/2002 "Let all real Christians join me in prayer that the Lord would bring down the pompous, pride engorged elders in the UPCI that are responsible for Mark Bassett being licensed to preach. The ignorant dimbulb Robert D. Taylor sold his soul for the approval of the reprobate Mark Bassett!" - 5/26/2002 "Jim and his wife are among the more malicious of the whackos." - 5/25/2002 "Some out here might remember fruitcake William Price as he would go back and forth between trinity and oneness every week or so. Trying to play preacher".- 5/24/2002 "Robert Taylor is a liar." -5/23/2002 "Real Oneness Christians are not cowards like Jim. Consider his opinion of equal value with any other anon trash on USENET." - 5/23/2002 "Sometimes the hypocrisy of these filth like Rochelle astounds me." - 5/22/2002 "See what the little false-christian scum William Price knowingly endorses." - 5/22/2002 "Mark Bassett would simply be pitiable in his lunacy; but my greatest concern is if someone seeking God could end up in a church with a reprobate loonie like Bassett behind the pulpit. I refer people on occasion to [United Pentecostal] Churches, people like Mark Bassett make that somewhat scary!" - 5/19/2002 note: Defendant Bassett is an ordained minister of the United Pentecostal Church, and a pastor. "I guess my sermon made the devil and his filth mad, GOOD! Russell Vaughn Howard, you are a lying piece of reprobate trash." - 5/11/2002 "Presbyterians are trinity filth who have been making headlines for their sub-canine morals for some time now" - 5/6/2002 "Of course Mr. Bassett who Robert Taylor supports and endorses teaches the 'automarriage' doctrine." - 5/5/2002 - note, here the Plaintiff makes one of many condemnatory claims, which defendant Bassett has specifically objected to and complained of for a period of years. Nevertheless the Plaintiff makes such statements regularly, plainly for the purpose of defamation. These examples are a very, very small sample of the nature of communication that the Plaintiff has been publishing for several years.

Those whose cases were returned to the Superior Court in Durham are notable, those who were never legitimately served. That is, Steve Adams, Michael Schidell, William Cousert, Camille Klein, Donnie Hayes, William Miller, Jerry Moon, Mark Gwynn, Brian Boggs We can interpret that the Federal Court took the time to show favor on and to help all that it could, after dealing with this matter that was originated by Mr Winter. Conclusion: Here we see a misguided individual, religiously sick and twisted by his hatred for those who do not boost his ego, attempting to ascribe "glory to God" for a process designed to glorify himself. Ironically, the Bible addresses this unfortunate and chilling end of a soul that seals itself off from the knowledge of God by pride and ignorance:
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. ... Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Mr Winter should NOW be thanking God that the defendants were not driven to even ANSWER the complaints which he originated, for the resulting discovery - a process that HE DESIRED, would have certainly taken from him whatever remaining sense of security he has. Perhaps we will have a few more comments after some time to more completely evaluate these closing comments of the court.

Mr Winter's own document describing my alleged harassment of his daughter.
From http://www.impsmail.org/bas0221a.txt
This is a 2/21/98 public post by Mark Bassett in which he makes various admissions regarding his harassment/stalking campaign from iconn.net including his admission to accessing my 14 year old daughter's computer. This has, of course, been FAXed to the Police Dept.
It appears that the UPCI has a real stench in their leadership in the state of Conn.
UPC, please curb your dog.
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From: mbasset@iconn.net (Mark Bassett)
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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:59:03 -0500, Michael Maturen
wrote:
>Mark,
>
>I have sent personal e-mail to Steve condemning his hateful spirit
>toward you, AND toward trinitarians such as myself. I appreciate the
>views of oneness believers (in fact, I would like to study them more
>closely). However, Steves approach is one of meanness, vitrile and
>hatred...certainly NOT the love that Christ commands.
>
>I, in fairness, must also condemn (this is perhaps, in your situation,
>too harsh a word) your actions in this matter. I realize that you began
>by simply dfending yourself against slanderous remarks. This is
>acceptable.

My goodness, thanks for the private mail, Michael! I so appreciate
people who do their correction in public.
You all DO realize, don't you, that Winter prohibits private
communication, which would be approriate? I certainly hope there is no
concept that anyone enjoys any of this. I don't. Period.

While I'm here writing a usenet message, which I have little stomache for, maybe no one else noticed but some idiot wrote a criminal note on usenet in the last few days indicating that there was sex abuse. I believe this was very wrong and want to express it without mentioning it publically. I guess my ideas are REALLY whacked out compared with the rest of these geniuses. I found Winter's IRC channel (which I suspect he cheated on the attedance requirements of using clones to populate the channel for the visit bots to count). Since his client is set to ignore me (related to an imaginary complaint the loon imagines that he filed at the police department), I simply messaged one the clones.

The text of the message that I supposedly harrassed his "daughter" with is as follows: (I am (some would doubt) "Seeinghim")

*** Log file opened: 2/20/98 02:53:06 PM
For Steve Winter: You have my sincere sympathy and concern related to this individual who published libel relating to sex offense. I am determined to see the perpetrator identified punished. Regardless of your offenses, you ARE a victim in that crminal act, and I am outraged about it.
Scum this harassment of my daughter will be reported to the police
Do not contact us again
Acolyte is on IRC
It was a message for you
seeinghim mbz@nh-ts00-15.iconn.net * :justaguy
seeinghim :#apostolic
seeinghim NewBrunswick.NJ.US.Undernet.Org
:[204.127.145.17] AT&T WorldNet IRC Chat Service
seeinghim :End of /WHOIS list.
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You are logged dirt
ok thanks
so long as you got the message
*** Log file closed: 2/20/98 03:03:37 PM

Of course this justified this person in luring people out of the sane channels, comdemning our activity, slandering me, and so on and so forth.. Come on, he lives for this.

And, frankly I don't care what he complains about. His agenda is to do damage to the reputation of other people, and particularly the church where he couldnt play his guitar as loud as he wanted, and who didnt throw roses all over him and give him the pulpit when he complained about everyone and everything.

I also dont care what anyone says about my doctrine, or how many harrassment accusations follow. The right way to deal with a depraved individual like that is to pray for them, which perhaps will result in legal or institutional restraint.